Saturday, April 18, 2009

REPUTATION DESERVED

In an article titled "Things we shouldn’t have said about Andrew Bolt" editor Jonathan Green describes Crikey's high standards:
We’d rather build a reputation for reason and well-turned argument than for insult and glib denunciation.
Crikey blogger Possum Comitatus does some reputation building in a much-lauded post titled "Why Andrew Bolt should be Sodomised with a Calculator – Part 142":
You know what shits me to tears, I mean really shits me to tears to the point where pulling someone’s arm off and beating them to death with their own severed limb starts sounding like one of the more civilised responses available?

It’s when MSM sites like this herd the dross of the internet into advertising, by tickling the bigoted little underbellies of their audience with pig-ignorant bullshit being masqueraded around as “fact”.
As Bolt might ask: "What is it with the left and violence?"

Bolt is further described as a "Caped Crusader for the Cretinous" and "The Undescended Testicle.*"
* The Undescended Testicle.
Andrew Bolt doesn’t like criticism – fair enough, but the cure for that is to stop writing bullshit – anyways, he especially doesn’t like criticism when it pings him exactly for what he does. He really, really, really doesn’t like that kind of criticism when it comes from Crikey. A while ago there was a flair up with Bolt over Somali crime numbers, where Bolt couldn’t ignore what was said here (our readership is too widespread, and there was far too much mirth going on in the blogosphere at his expense over it all), but neither could he confront it properly because to do so would be to send his readers to a complete takedown of their hero, that describes many of them as the suckers they are. So the poor princess was in a bit of a pickle.

But rather than have the balls to link into the article here and address it properly, he used just one ball and quoted very, very selectively from the article (in comments too) in such a way as to remove all context and pretend I was actually agreeing with what he was on about.

He has enough balls to selectively confront his detractors, but not enough balls to do it in the open and transparent way that is the acceptable norm of the modern online world.

He is The Undescended Testicle of the Internetz
Clever stuff. In amongst those many hundreds of words of rant -- the post runs to almost 2,000 words -- Possum analyses asylum seeker trends, deciding Bolt's position is "pig-ignorant horseshit" and he should therefore "shut the fuck up".

Unfortunately, Possum's elaborate analysis appears to be flawed:
  • Bolt was voicing his opinions on apparent trends in boat people numbers, not asylum seeker numbers.
  • Since asylum seeker policy changed less than a year ago it is perhaps too early for a statistically significant trend to emerge.
It's a first class rant nonetheless.

Update: Possum is told his analysis is "worthless" but there's no way he's going to admit it.

26 Comments:

Anonymous Dan Lewis said...

I would have posted this comment on Crikey, but they've turned off comments on that thread.

Green blames the Internet:
Which is where the problem lies, of course: the speed of internet publishing running blind into a thinly resourced but well-attended — and well intentioned — web publication.That excuse doesn't wash. Just about all news services these days have a virtually real-time service on the Internet. This is in addition to blogging experiments. They somehow manage to avoid defamation, as do plenty of bloggers who (unlike Crikey) aren't charging a subscription. So it's unclear why Crikey wants a free pass.

Jeremy has a whinge:
Funnily enough, whilst Andrew is apparently quick to correspond with threats, he still hasn’t provided an answer to these questions I attempted to email him on Saturday. I wonder why.My guess: He probably has better things to do than deal with someone he regards as an amateur and a pain in the arse. Or as Tim Blair said to Irfan Yusuf, I spent much of the weekend going through your blog. I mean, f#cking hell. Put yourself in my f*cking shoes, mate. Why the f+ck should I run your stuff? Why should I do you any favours when you write that f^cking bullsh*t on your blog?Jeremy is obviously convinced he deserves a response, as he is now Teh Journalist.

So he makes a hilarious threat:
If either Andrew or tim think they’ll be getting a free ride because of either apology - which are apologies for specific incidents, not our tackling their output in general - then they’re in for a rude shock.Yuh. I bet they are both shitting themselves...

12:14 PM  
Anonymous Carlos said...

Sadly, the post by Possum has been pulled, no doubt as a result of a certain glass-jawed News Ltd hack.

You're reading of it is woefully inept, I might add.

Bolt was voicing his opinions on apparent trends in boat people numbers, not asylum seeker numbers.
Nothing 'apparent' about it. Bolt has accused Rudd of having 'lured' asylum seekers to their deaths.

Since asylum seeker policy changed less than a year ago it is perhaps too early for a statistically significant trend to emerge.Statistical significance isn't dependent on time.

Better try next time.

2:32 PM  
Anonymous bill said...

BLOT's modaraters suck, they are so BIAS.

There all raving rascist rightards who censor anyone who criticise there hero Blot bt then they let there raving rascist rightard mates say whatever discusting rascist and muslim hating things they want.And then they have there own blog too where they put up discusting pictures like t-bagging that hopeflly the cleanfeed will start blocking soon

Bangbang and GestapoMole from tizona
http://tizona.wordpress.com/
admit there moderators but spot aka gordon wont say yes or no, but have you notice how when spot aka gordon is away the updates at Blots go REAAAAALLLLLLY SSSLLLLLOOOOW, so I think its very suspisious.

Crikey is 10000 times better than Blot or bLIAR anyway and Crikey people are just trying to make Blot and bLIAR lift there games. so leave off them.

FREE SPEECH is VERY importent !!!!

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually Carlos, the post is still there.

If the "glass jawed hack" wrote a column titled "Why Carlos Should be Sodomised with a Calculator", I'm sure you'd squeal like a pig and your friends at PP would write about it.

Try harder next time!!

2:42 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

Carlos, the post is still; the link above was corrupt. Now fixed.

I'm no statistics whiz but it seems to me this whole discussion is about numbers over time.

2:45 PM  
Blogger cosmicjester said...

"Sadly, the post by Possum has been pulled, no doubt as a result of a certain glass-jawed News Ltd hack."

Hmm, i can still reach it. Becky's link like his reasoning is broken, try here.

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytics/2009/04/17/why-andrew-bolt-should-be-sodomised-with-a-calculator-%E2%80%93-part-142/#comments

"Since asylum seeker policy changed less than a year ago it is perhaps too early for a statistically significant trend to emerge."

So its too early for Possum to analyze the trend, yet in the Bolt post he seizes upon a 19% increase in 2008, even though most of that year was still under the Howard governments policy. Bolts analysis doesn't stack up and as usual most of your criticism is "they are calling Bolt names how mean" instead of the argument.

And despite you saying it is too early to notice a trend, hello that is what Bolts post is about. He is blaming any boat people on Rudd. Didn't the line "Lured to their deaths by Rudd" give it away? Ah but because it is "opinion" it doesn't matter if it fails under any analysis.

2:53 PM  
Blogger cosmicjester said...

Not to rub it in, but you said

"Bolt was voicing his opinions on apparent trends in boat people numbers, not asylum seeker numbers."

Bolt said

"Yes, the UN High Commission for Refugees reported a 12 per cent increase world-wide of asylum claims in 2008, but noted a much bigger increase in Australia and New Zealand - 19 per cent."

Asylum claims, not boat people numbers. Another FAIL for Beck.

3:50 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

cosmicjester,

Bolt's post is about boat people. He uses the 12 vs 19% figures to illustrate his point.

Nice try.

4:05 PM  
Blogger cosmicjester said...

Beck, the 12% vs 19% figures is about asylum seeker claims, not just boat people. Here is where Bolt gets his info from

http://www.unhcr.org/statistics/STATISTICS/49c796572.pdf

Bolt was clearly talking about asylum claims in what i quoted, not boat people exclusively, so your earlier criticism of Possum that Bolt was talking about boat people exclusively was false.

4:57 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

cosmicjester,

Bolt's two posts are about boat people but he does mention asylum seekers; boat people will end up as asylum seekers.

Possum's post is about asylum seekers but he does mention boat people.

It's quite simple, really. I got nothing wrong.

5:07 PM  
Blogger Cambo said...

So are you saying that sodomy is violent? Because if it is then you must love Tim Blair inflicting violence upon you -- or wish Tim Blair would inflict it upon you.

Who are you masturbating over tonight Beck. Jeremy, Tim or maybe Antony?

5:30 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

Who will I be masturbating over tonight? Images of Michelle Malkin doing Ann Coulter.

5:56 PM  
Blogger cosmicjester said...

"It's quite simple, really. I got nothing wrong."

McFly! Helloooo.

You said.

"Bolt was voicing his opinions on apparent trends in boat people numbers, not asylum seeker numbers."

He mentions his opinion on asylum seekers (not boat people exclusively) right here...

"But how true is all this really?

Yes, the UN High Commission for Refugees reported a 12 per cent increase world-wide of asylum claims in 2008, but noted a much bigger increase in Australia and New Zealand - 19 per cent."

6:06 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

Bolt uses the greater increase in Australian asylum seekers to illustrate his point about increased numbers of boat people. Nothing you can say is going to change that.

6:10 PM  
Blogger cosmicjester said...

So Bolt's post aren't about asylum seekers at all, except for when they are? There is sense in that somewhere...

Cambo, Antony? Antony Green?

6:21 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

The two Bolt posts under consideration are about boat people. I can't recall Bolt being concerned with asylum seekers who follow established immigration procedures.

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Dan Lewis said...

FREE SPEECH is VERY importent [sic]!!!!Apparently education isn't.

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Husky_Jim said...

Cambo. Are you saying that being sodamised, unwillingly, with a calculator isn't violence? Only a felching felcher would think that.

Cosmicjerkoff.
You don't seem to get the difference between a fact "12% vs 19%" and an opinion.

Explains a lot.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous Grammar Girl said...

.
'Carlos' sez...
"You're reading of it is woefully inept" 'bill' sez...
"There all raving rascist rightards"Grammar Girl asks... WTF is it with Teh* Left and they're* apostrophe issues?

Bring on the Education Revolution®, Jules!.
.
.
*memo leftards: yes... piss-take, m'kay?

8:07 PM  
Anonymous JeffS said...

Heh, JF! Looks like you're poking a sensitive spot or two, if the lefties are trying move all those goal posts.

1:23 AM  
Blogger Minicapt said...

Comicgester on the move: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zH0Qj7rpLI
... track grease.

Cheers

3:41 PM  
Blogger cosmicjester said...

Beck, your link is broken again. Copy and paste is hard i know.

4:44 PM  
Blogger J F Beck said...

Repasted it; see if it works now.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't subscribed to Crikey in nearly five years, although I still get spammed by them from time to time.

Its becoming increasingly obvious that their hiring of the Poisonous Posse was not a one-off aberration but reflects much deeper problems with the site.

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Evil Pundit said...

Back when my blog was active, I was offered a free Crikey subscription for a year as part of a promotion.

I took it, but such was the leftist bias of the site that after a few months I redirected everything they sent into the spam folder.

I see things haven't improved.

6:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have two things to say.

1. This is the best site I've come across in a long time. Great work J.F.

2. It doesn't matter which way you argue with these leftoids. You can prove them blatantly wrong. You can catch them with their pants down, red handed. They will still (endlessly) try and direct you back to their nonsensical, shallow, lame-arse excuse of a drawing board.

The thrown ball doesn't curve back in their universe.... it just keeps on going and going and going and... going...

8:09 AM  

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