At least he's employed...
After a particularly nasty Tweet by Antony Loewenstein about NSW Jewish Communal leader Vic Alhadeff, Alhadeff responded:
Loewenstein's comment is as stupid as suggesting that because he frequently calls for the abolition of Israel he must be employed by Iran. Or because he routinely defends Palestinian terrorists, he must be employed by Hamas.
It's ridiculous. As if they'd ever employ Antony. They may be genocidal Jew-hating psychopaths, but they're not stupid.
Antony made a name for himself slagging off the Jewish Community. Yet again it's clear he doesn't actually have a clue what he's even talking about. Still, as demonstrated by TheDumb Drum last night, he's still good enough for 'our ABC' when they want a comment about certain topics.
Unfortunate that Mr Loewenstein has to frequently resort to personal slurs to try and make a point.Loewenstein's response?
Deeply ironic that #Zionist lobbyist talks about civility when his employer #Israel occupies #Palestinians. Nice priorities.Self described Investigative Journalist Loewenstein should be aware that Alhadeff heads the NSW Jewish Board of Deputies. That's NSW, as in Australia. Not Israel. His paycheque comes from this country and the only thing he's occupying is a desk somewhere in Darlinghurst.
Loewenstein's comment is as stupid as suggesting that because he frequently calls for the abolition of Israel he must be employed by Iran. Or because he routinely defends Palestinian terrorists, he must be employed by Hamas.
It's ridiculous. As if they'd ever employ Antony. They may be genocidal Jew-hating psychopaths, but they're not stupid.
Antony made a name for himself slagging off the Jewish Community. Yet again it's clear he doesn't actually have a clue what he's even talking about. Still, as demonstrated by The
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After a particularly nasty Tweet by Antony Loewenstein about NSW Jewish Communal leader Vic Alhadeff
Which you fail to cite and turns out to be not that nasty in the first place, and certainly contained no personal slurs.
Antony made a name for himself slagging off the Jewish Community
He's made a name for himself slagging off pro-Zionists in the Jewish community (small 'c'). Big difference, Danno.
Yet again it's clear he doesn't actually have a clue what he's even talking about.
So you keep saying, over and over and over again.
Still, as demonstrated by The Dumb Drum last night
And repeatedly mentioned here on RWDB (Ranting Wingnuts Dan & Beck)...
he's still good enough for 'our ABC' when they want a comment about certain topics.
Loewenstein is, I concede, the token rentaquote anti-Zionist Jew. Some media outlets like to have balance and don't read from the Zionist/JDL script like you seem to think they should.
He is a disgusting odious little man. A shtetl rat. He is entitled to his opinion. So am I.
"Some media outlets like to have balance and don't read from the Zionist/JDL script like you seem to think they should"
WTF? The Zionist/JDL script?
What imaginary conspiratorial script is that 'John'?
Where can I get one? Can you provide a reference? Other than your fevered imagination? You know where you think that the 'zionists'(nudge nudge wink wink) are secretly trying to control the media?
Maybe you should have a listen to yourself. Then provide some evidence for your ridiculous nutbag assertions.(crickets continue chirping, tumbleweed drifts past)
What a fruitloop.
What imaginary conspiratorial script is that 'John'?
There is no conspiracy, dimwit. But there are two or more sides to any debate. You lot would only be happy if there was one, namely your own. You just can't conceive of other viewpoints or empathise with other perspectives - your brains seem to be under-developed in that regard.
He is a disgusting odious little man. A shtetl rat.
Ah yes the 'shtetl', the folkloric Jewish village surrounded by hostile forces, where every Jew is humble, moral, upright, communal and does no wrong.
Therein lies the problem: Israel is against the odds and above criticism, and anyone who does so is a 'rat'. No perspective, and the kind of complex and nuanced thought you'd expect to find watching Playschool.
I sense by reading the other posts here that you will find we have a far better knowledge and nuanced understanding of the "other perspective" than you will ever have, John. I've read Loewensteins' book. Have you? I've also read the Hamas charter. Also as much as I can stomach of Pilger, McGeough, Fisk ...a hundred others ... provided it can be done for free without risk of triggering a royalty payment. Not to mention most of the vile crap posted on WD in the last eight years by just about every crazy antisemite and Israel hating crank in the country able to get their muck past the moderators. And that's a lot.
I even managed to sit through three of the four parts of that gut churning bigoted filth SBS aired. If only to confirm that British cultural antisemitism has now been officially rehabilitated.
No one has ever said that Israel is perfect and never makes mistakes. Nor is Australia. Or the US, Canada. It sure is better than what's going on over the armistice lines though.
That one is an absurd furphy, just like the ridiculous allegation that it is impossible to criticise Israel without attracting allegations of antisemitism. Horseshit. Give me an example. The opposite is the truth. It is impossible to defend Israel, and its right to exist, without attracting charges of racism. Look at Loewenstein.
Your problem is that you are getting a different perspective possibly for the first time. People who know what they are talking about and have had it up to the gills with this shit that pours from the Israel bashers.
It is not helping. As soon as the dickhead left and others in the West stop encouraging Arab and Muslim antisemitism, in all it forms, and their plans for genocide, then maybe there might be a chance for peace.
Well 'John' put "Zionist/JDL script" into google and see what sort of freak show hits you get. Reads like the who's who of bigotry. Interesting you would use that term really - which does suggest a conspiracy whether you realise it or not.
Extrapolating from that circus, are you a 9/11 truther as well?
I won't provide any highlights as they're all a bit odious, somewhat like your post.
Most of Israel's sternest critics are Israelis. Take a look at their English language newspapers and media. They're all on-line for you to see anytime, John. Also the reports of official investigations of the mistakes, wars and disasters. Important Court decisions from a fiercely independent judiciary. They are all there for free and in English. Take a look at what the political parties say about one another. Above all read what Israeli journalists say about Israeli politicians and especially the PM.
It's called liberal democracy, John and it's Israel's secret weapon.
Now go to Memri and see what the neighbours are saying.
This is an important business, John. This is not just a war on Israel and the Jews. Surely at least that is obvious by now. It is not even the only war they are waging. Hardly. They have many other enemies too. Most of the warring is carried out on one another. Just like now.
I think John may get his single minded agenda from some very 'interesting' places. Sort of like an unpleasant script.
I sense by reading the other posts here that you will find we have a far better knowledge and nuanced understanding of the "other perspective" than you will ever have, John.
Yes, you obviously all think you are far more informed and clever than myself and others, geofff. I know this because you say so at every turn.
I've read Loewensteins' book. Have you? I've also read the Hamas charter. Also as much as I can stomach of Pilger, McGeough, Fisk ...a hundred others ... provided it can be done for free without risk of triggering a royalty payment.
I am quite widely read on the subject, more widely than most at least. I haven't read Loewenstein's book because I don't want to, but I have read some of his blog. I have read Pilger, Fisk and others. Which is not to say I agree with all or even most of what they write.
It is impossible to defend Israel, and its right to exist, without attracting charges of racism. Look at Loewenstein.
As I have said before, I do not accept much of what Loewenstein writes. Just because I defend him here from Lewis's hysterical conspiracy theories doesn't mean I support him.
Your problem is that you are getting a different perspective possibly for the first time.
No, my problem is that I am seeing a complete lack of perspective. You gentlemen (and I use the term in its broadest sense) have no understanding whatsoever that the Palestinian question can only be solved if both sides reform their attitude and commit to a solution or 'road map' that entails some compromise. Yes, it is true that the Palestinian leadership, Hamas and the Islamic Front have much more of this to do than the Israelis. Yes, the Hamas charter is a diabolical nonsense and must be changed. I have never disputed those things.
I have seen not one iota of evidence on this blog that anyone has the first inkling of how this problem should be solved. Danny Boy writes off a two-state solution because the Palestinians don't deserve their own state. You claim that a one-state solution amounts to the destruction of the Israeli nation, and that the Palestinians should just do as they are told. Or presumably risk being bombed into oblivion. That's the kind of vengeful, simple-minded thinking that brought us Versailles, the Geneva Accords and the other great hits of the 20th century.
Well 'John' put "Zionist/JDL script" into google and see what sort of freak show hits you get.
Breaking news for the seemingly illiterate... a 'script' is not a 'conspiracy theory'. And for you to imply that the views espoused here don't line up with those of ultra-Zionists and the JDL is an act of self-deception.
"Yes, you obviously all think you are far more informed and clever than myself and others, geofff. I know this because you say so at every turn."
Hey mate, it is you claiming I have no insight into the "other perspective"
The waging of war and terrorism and the whipping up of the population into a genocidal racist fury is not conducive to peace, John. Nor is forcing Palestinians to live under official apartheid regimes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlrYVB8XzQQ&feature=player_embedded
Please be clear that there is no distinction whatsoever between "Palestinian" Arabs and other Arabs, especially those in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, other than this artificial national construct that is itself the bastard child of the UN, the KGB and the Muslim Brotherhood and barely fifty years old.
They can have another Muslim state if they want one and they can call it what they like. They have been offered it again and again. But it's not about that. They don't want a separate state and that should be clear by now to everybody. Olmert's deal could not have been refused by anyone serious about establishing a Palestinian state. They did.
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=243917
They want to eradicate Israel and they say so again and again and they say why.
What would you have Israel do? Stop defending itself? Unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank, like Gaza and south Lebanon, and declare the borders? Emigrate? Where to?
Any suggestions John?
The unpleasant bigotry surrounding your conspiratorial 'Zionist script' comments make your illiterate jibes look a little cheesy by comparison, John. Just for info if you inject a conspiratorial narrative into a non existent script and ascribe that script to a particular group of people (nudge nudge) then by all accounts that is precisely what a (bigoted) conspiracy theory is. Get it, dimwit?
You know like a particular set of ...protocols..., a filthy conspiracy doing the rounds in non enlightened regions. You could even say that reads like a script little John. A script for lunatics.
PS the term 'Zionist/JDL script' might (according to google) be something used in a supremacist/911 truther/general bigot extreme left wingnut forum, I don't know, maybe you could tell me as you seem a little more well schooled in such matters?
Off to get some chocolates now, would you like some?
Hey mate, it is you claiming I have no insight into the "other perspective"
Actually I said you can't conceive of other perspectives. You demonstrate that when you condemn contrary points of view as the 'dickhead left' or the mutterings of extremists and murderous terrorists. There are obviously gradations of thought on both sides of the strip, and the problem that has plagued the Middle East for decades is that extremists have often held more sway than moderates and realists.
The waging of war and terrorism and the whipping up of the population into a genocidal racist fury is not conducive to peace, John.
Indeed it is not. See above point.
Please be clear that there is no distinction whatsoever between "Palestinian" Arabs and other Arabs, especially those in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, other than this artificial national construct that is itself the bastard child of the UN, the KGB and the Muslim Brotherhood and barely fifty years old.
Actually, history partly supports that claim. A lot of national entities and structures in the Middle East and Africa were exercises in post-colonial cartography, jigsaw-puzzling and patchwork sectarianism. The problem is that history actually pollutes attitudes on this issue. Whether the UN should have petitioned Palestine and formed Israel is now a moot question: Israel exists as a self-determined sovereign nation, and thus has a right to do so. When the debate falls into questions of history, tribal homelands and what-not, you know it's going nowhere.
They can have another Muslim state if they want one and they can call it what they like. They have been offered it again and again.
The question is whether they have been offered it on fair terms. I would say they have, and that their leadership (Arafat particularly, but not exclusively) has failed them. Olmert's concessions were the most liberal in years, but as always the critical failures were disagreements on land and water rights.
They don't want a separate state and that should be clear by now to everybody.
Bollocks, geofff.
Unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank, like Gaza and south Lebanon, and declare the borders?
The preponderant question is why they feel they are entitled to land in the West Bank, which is essentially occupied territory. Just because 300,000+ Israelis decide to set up there? That is one of the other things which fouls the peace process. I believe Abbas' offer to Olmert was 2% of the West Bank. Why do you think the Israelis deserve any more than that?
What would you have Israel do? Stop defending itself?
Nope. On the contrary, they should continue defending themselves against aggression. And start taking a tougher line with Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, which most people seem to acknowledge are in breach of international law.
"foxwit", I'm simply not interested in your unfounded aspersions that I am an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist. It should be quite obvious from other things I have written here that I am not. Not that a lack of evidence has ever held back you or Daniel-san.
Go and tinker with your train sets, or whatever the hell you play with on a Saturday (besides the obvious).
"I believe Abbas' offer to Olmert was 2% of the West Bank."
Abbas made no counter offer to Olmert at all. He just walked out saying don't call us ... we'll call you. Nor did Arafat. Olmert offered more than 98% (with land swaps for the 2% -- an easement between Gaza and West Bank -- a deal on Jerusalem that made it a shared capital -- an economic union [always on offer] -- above all peace)
Nope, said Abbas. We want an unlimited Arab "right of return" for 7 million people and no Jewish state. No state at all really because the Palestinians will control the borders. In other words we want war.
And they're the "moderates". Please try to listen to what the "militants" are saying. It is the difference between the black shirts and the brown shirts.
There are no Jewish settlements in Gaza. There are no Jews there at all now Gilad Shalit is home. Gaza is completely judenfrei. Jews lived in Gaza well over a thousand years before Muslims.
Abbas made no counter offer to Olmert at all. He just walked out saying don't call us ... we'll call you.
That's baloney Geoff. The leaked documents that al-Jazeera ran last year refute that utterly. Abbas deferred because Olmert and other Israeli negotiators wouldn't provide copies of the maps showing the concessions you mention. With regard to territorial concessions and land swaps, Abbas was guilty of nothing but hestitation and perhaps distrust.
As for refugees, the Palestinians did not demand an 'unlimited right of return' for 7 million people, they agreed on the repatriation of 10,000 refugees with additional returns to be negotiated later. So stop beating it up to sound like they were demanding the earth.
There are no Jewish settlements in Gaza.
No, my mistake. I was thinking of the Golan.
Gaza is completely judenfrei.
A completely inappropriate choice of descriptor.
Jews lived in Gaza well over a thousand years before Muslims.
Utterly irrelevant.
"that I am an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist. It should be quite obvious from other things I have written here that I am not"
Well first they are your words, not mine.
However as you use the same little 'code words' and phrases that said lunatics use, well what inference should we draw from that? Other than the most likely.
Your train set comment is the mark of a 'man' (ha ha) cornered and unable to explain his previous quite illuminating and nasty telling remarks.
Bravo dumb ass. What a dopey twit.
However as you use the same little 'code words' and phrases that said lunatics use, well what inference should we draw from that?
And geofff uses quaint little Nazi code words like 'judenfrei' too, but I'm not silly enough to think he's either a Nazi or calling anyone else a Nazi. That's your domain.
Arguing with you is like teaching snails how to high jump: it frustrates the teacher, is pointless for the snail and produces copious amounts of slime.
Back to your Thomas the Tank set.
We are dealing with a nazi inspired totalitarian movement that has as its object the destruction of the Jews as a first step to the domination of the West and they make no bones about it.
You tell me these terms are inappropriate?
Arguing with you is like suggesting to Capt Schettino it's time to get some people off the boat and leave the girl alone.
And the leaked documents suggested nothing of the sort. Except that leaking them put the lives of Palestinians who show the slightest signs of actually talking to Israelis at grave risk. Which is why it is impossible for them to say yes to yes.
Also the Golan Heights is an issue with Syria, not the "Palestinians". Mind you this stuff is pretty seamless.
Remember Syria? That would be that monster in Damascus currently using snipers and battle tanks against his own people just like his dear old dad.
They too have been offered this land back in exchange for a peace treaty. No deal. They too prefer to keep the Palestinians on display in cages like animals in a zoo.
Why do you think that is, John?
Yes well I'll defer to your intimate knowledge of snail training John, as I'm sure as an obnoxious mal-adjusted child you had a lot of time alone in the garden to play with animal life, shunned by your peers.
The fact remains you're fond of pontificating ideas which are held by some very unpleasant fellow (?) travellers who coincidently also use the same language and 'phrases'. When called out on this, your defence is puerile insults and idiotic moral gymnastics.
PS Geoff's use of the word 'judenfrei' is clearly made to evoke similarity between 1930's Germany and the new rehabilitation of anti semitism in the western world by knuckle dragging extreme left (and right) fruit loops, who also seem to think that replacing the word jew with 'zionist' in their every rant will somehow make it seem more respectable. But you already knew that. The context of geofff's words and your phrases are of course totally different. as you well know.
And thank you again for your pre school Thomas the Tank comment, BTW a production which I suggest has a more intelligent script than anything you have ever absorbed.
Thank you for your stellar contribution to the big issues. You're really a champ.
No actually you're a dickhead but it takes all types.
"geofff uses quaint little Nazi code words like 'judenfrei'" - specifically to highlight the 1930's like re-habilitation of anti semitism in the western world - actively enabled by leftist fruit loops with an agenda. As you well know. A much different context to your use of greasy little phrases.
As to snail training I defer to your obvious intimate knowledge and background of playing alone in the garden with various fauna. How sad.
Best regards, etc, your mate.
Thomas the Tank?
John, you acerbic genius. What an intellect.
Ha ha ha ha.
What a dickhead. Your reams of Israel bashing crap BTW is just re-hashed junk spewed by other peanuts with nothing better to do or foam at the mouth about.
(I don't even want to think what you've done with snails)
Thing is there is nothing new about what is going on. This thing. This totalitarian hate obsessed greivance nourishing mindset (which of course comes in gradations), this mass mental illness, has been around before and it is hardly the first time it has sprung out of a sick wing of a religion.
Nor is it "racist" or "Islamophobic" to confront this thing and call it what it is. Every race on the planet has been afflicted with it at one time or another and Islam is hardly the only religion in history to have spawned mass hatred. Not even in modern times.
John, I use the term "dickhead left" to distinguish it from the gutless left, the genocidal left and the pissweak left.
That's called nuance.
For "John", foolishness is still an aspiration.
Cheers
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